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Tuesday, July 31, 2007

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I certainly hope 500 happens tonight - I've got tickets to the game!

I'm hoping for #300, but I hope the other two take a while.

Interesting thought, Nick; I hadn't really considered the convergence of those three stats. Alex reaching 499 (and hopefully 500 tonight) as quickly as he did is remarkable, but there's a chance we will see that again. Some crusher from the mold of ARod/Eddie Matthews/Tony Conigliaro that gets enough PAs early in his career and remains durable will eventually come along. Regarding 755+, same story and there are too many what-ifs regarding home runs, and that's completely discounting the PED side story, which I frankly don't care about. The real head-turner if we want to look at arbitrary goals is Glavine. Consider the top 15 active player win totals:

Name (age) wins

Roger Clemens (44) 351
Greg Maddux (41) 340
Tom Glavine (41) 299
Randy Johnson (43) 284
Mike Mussina (38) 244
David Wells (44) 235
Jamie Moyer (44) 225
Curt Schilling (40) 213
Kenny Rogers (42) 210
Pedro Martinez (35) 206
John Smoltz (40) 203
Andy Pettitte (35) 192
Tim Wakefield (40) 163
Aaron Sele (37) 148
Bartolo Colon (34) 146

Mark Buehrle (28) is the youngest player with more than 100 wins (105). Sabathia (26) is at 94 wins. Out of the list above, who makes 300? If you asked me last year, I would have said Randy will make it and Moose has an outside shot. Now, with Randy having back surgery and Moose apparently in decline, who else gets there? Maybe Wake will be fluttering knucklers in for another 20 years, but seriously, nobody else on that list has a shot. Sabathia averages 15 wins a year. If he pitches like that until he is *40*, he makes it by a nose.. Yes, 300 is an arbitrary number, but it's the most interesting one in my mind, since it looks like the one number that may never again be reached.

Back when Clemens looked like he was injured/in dcline, I remember people saying the exact same thing you did, AG. Now we have Glavine and Maddux, and Johnson shoulda gotten there and still may.

To infer, I hope that you are right, and that we do see it again, Paul.

I meant to add this, but then I saw the Gagne trade news:

Also, I notice three names not on that list who could be big players in the "300" discussion -- Josh Beckett, Chien-Ming Wang and Johan Santana. The first two play for high-powered teams that win lots of games, allowing them, in turn, to win lots of games, even if they off days (or off seasons). Beckett and Santana, for example, have won more games than anyone else in the past three eyars, IIRC. Also, it's difficult to project because, as James noted in this year's handbook, those who win a lot of games early tend not to reach 300, while those who get started around age 30 have a better chance of pitching longer. That mightactually be bad news for the pitchers I listed and good news for Buehrle.

I'm skeptical when people talk about unbreakable records because we don't know when a player will come along that blows us all away. Outside of Cy Young's 511 wins, of course, which are safe thanks to fundamental changes in the game. Ted Williams' .406 avg. might also be safe for the same reason.

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