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Tuesday, August 14, 2007

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I love Melky too but you must have alot of free time ;)

No Really, Good Post.

I like Melky as well, but if I'm being honest with myself, I think he falls somewhere in the middle of what he's showing now, and what most thought he was to begin with.
It's true that he has outdone himself in proving everyone wrong that he couldn't hold the position, but he's definitely not the player he has been over the past three weeks either.
He's definitely better than Damon, and he has nothing short of a cannon attached to his shoulder (you only had to watch last night to see that), and I can understand why Yankee fans like the kid. He can go get it, and when he does, he can get it back in quickly. Plus, he's cheap, which is a lot more than you can say about the other outfielders on that team.
I feel about Ellsbury this way. I go to Pawtucket games, and I know that Ellsbury can go get it as well as anyone on the Red Sox right now, including Crisp, who's range is awesome.
It's a farm thing. Everyone loves players that started with the organization, and Melky follows suit nicely.
He's playing above his head right now, and will definitely come back to earth at some point with the bat, but for now, he's performing exactly how everyone said that he couldn't. Good for him since I'm sure that he's worked very hard at shutting everyone's mouth.

Bravo AG, was actually going to right the same piece...Wouldn't have been 1/2 as good as this. Great job.

Write...Duh...

"he's definitely not the player he has been over the past three weeks"

Melky in July: .368/.410/.528
Melky in August: .377/.382/.679 (!?!?!)

So, it's been longer than three weeks, but I understand your point; he will not maintain this pace (and thus go on to be one of the great CFs of all time).

Looking at Melky's June though (.298/.364/.447), or his overall line on the year, I'm much more confident that he can match (and perhaps exceed) that over a full season going foward than I was at the beginning of May. I'll certainly take an .800+ OPS from my pre-arb CF. I mean, someone has to bat ninth in that lineup.

On a more subjective note, he's fun to watch not just for his youth, but for his personality. After that throw last night he had this stupid grin on his face, and seeing that kind of excitement can't help but make the game more enjoyable.

Well, I for one, feel better about Melk now! Thanks for the analysis, AG.

What i find funny about this is that Steve Philips is saying that Melky Cabrera won't make it as an everyday player, especially when he's still only 22!

ONLY 22! I mean seriously...

And i dont know why, but i have a feeling steve philips seems to hate the yankees or something.
Because i just saw today that Steve Philips beileves that the yankees won't make the playoffs.
-.-

Edit: Removed reference to Chamberlain in article. Don't know how that got in there and I don't think Phillips talked about him while talking about Cabrera.. sorry.

Love Melky. Period. Loved him last year, love him more this year. As we know all too well in NY, it is not always about acquiring the best guy (statistically) at a position - it's about having the right guy for your team - which means how he adds to and complements others on the team, how he fits into the style of play you want, etc.

On those fronts, from 2000 until today, our team has needed (and lacked) youth - which also means youthful energy and enthusiasm, strong arms in the outfield (hard to admit how I felt when older-Bernie and Damon were patrolling out there together given my undying respect for Bernie), ability to bunt and go from 1st to 3rd and all other small-ball elements at the plate and on the base pads, and strong defense.

ALL of these elements were on the decline for us for years before Melky came up last year.

He also has showed a knack for getting big hits and not folding under pressure. I love Cano too but am still uncomfortable with little things like his relatively bad BA with the bases loaded and free-swinging in very big situations. In his short time here, Melky has often been in the middle of high-pressure rallies...this performing-under-pressure is not something new for the Yankees, but is always the big worry when newbies are brought up and it is not one with him - at least not for me.

So in addition to the stats (and thanks very much for those), these are the many ways in which I love Melky...

Fantastic!

The only thing missing is AGES! And Melky is finishing his year 22 season!!!

Thanks for doing the work on this one, AG. Great post!

I think Woosta is right on to point out the fact that Melky is only 22 (or is it 23 at this point?). He's made an unbelievable adjustment to the game, and his skill set just seems to be getting stronger. Is he a star center fielde yet? No. But he's developing into one.

Great work, gerb. You're picking up the slack quite well while our sf friends are AWOL :)

Steve Phillips traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano - 'Nuff said about what his opinion is worth...

(woops! sorry ag - I just couldn't control myself)

"He's playing above his head right now"

I don't know that this is true - granted he's on a hot streak, and that won't last, but his numbers from his rookie year in '06 were good : .280 AVG .360 OBP .391 SLG
Many on this site were too quick to write him off after a slow start, which was probably due to the fact that he wasn't allowed to play winter ball.

He just turned 23. So it's counted as his year 22 season - see:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cabreme01.shtml

And you bet Nick. Given that power is the last tool to develop, I wouldn't be surprised to see him .OPSing .900 in two years and .1000 at his peak. The best part is even if he loses a step or two, they can just shift him over to RF.

> The only thing missing is AGES!

Ages column added. You might need to shrink your browser's font size to see all the data, probably: ctrl-minus

Excellent post, AG. What's comforting to me as an SF (and a baseball fan in general) about all this is that with guys like Ichiro, Melky, Crisp, and Granderson in CF, defensively, the statistics tell you the exact same thing your eyes do.

Woosta: This is barely worth responding too, but 1.000 OPS at his peak? This season, there are 2 AL hitters in that range, Maggs and A-Rod. 5 last season: Thome, Papi, Manny, Pronk, and an out-of-his-mind Dye. 3 in 2005: Papi, Pronk, A-Rod. 1 in 2004: Manny. 2 in 2003: Delgado, Manny.

I could go further, but are you REALLY trying to convince anyone that Melky is going to be a 1.000 OPS guy at some point? He's a good player, and is currently proving a lot of his doubters (I for one, thought his ceiling would be as an average CF offensively) wrong. Yes, it's been over 1.000 the last month or so, but his BABIP has been .360 over that timespan. He's going to come down from this, may (probably) not approach it again, but will still be a much better player than I've thought he deserved credit for.

But a 1.000 OPS is...wow. Yikes.

In unrelated news, when Jacoby Ellsbury becomes a regular, he will take home from 2nd base on a wild pitch every other game.

Excellent post, AG. What's comforting to me as an SF (and a baseball fan in general) about all this is that with guys like Ichiro, Melky, Crisp, and Granderson in CF, defensively, the statistics tell you the exact same thing your eyes do.

Woosta: This is barely worth responding too, but 1.000 OPS at his peak? This season, there are 2 AL hitters in that range, Maggs and A-Rod. 5 last season: Thome, Papi, Manny, Pronk, and an out-of-his-mind Dye. 3 in 2005: Papi, Pronk, A-Rod. 1 in 2004: Manny. 2 in 2003: Delgado, Manny.

I could go further, but are you REALLY trying to convince anyone that Melky is going to be a 1.000 OPS guy at some point? He's a good player, and is currently proving a lot of his doubters (I for one, thought his ceiling would be as an average CF offensively) wrong. Yes, it's been over 1.000 the last month or so, but his BABIP has been .360 over that timespan. He's going to come down from this, may (probably) not approach it again, but will still be a much better player than I've thought he deserved credit for.

But a 1.000 OPS is...wow. Yikes.

In unrelated news, when Jacoby Ellsbury becomes a regular, he will take home from 2nd base on a wild pitch every other game.

Dangable typekey. Apologies for the dual-post. Only meant to rain on Woosta's overly premature parade once.

No one is taking home from second off of a while pitch...unless of course Wakefield is pitching.

Ellsbury did that this year.

Melky is proving that he is not only more than a 4th outfielder, he might turn out to be an all-star level cf someday, given his age and upside.

Excellent! So, among young CF's:

Granderson > Melky = Pence > Sizemore?

I'll take that!

(And Quo, that you didn't criticize a .900 OPS says everything. And, did anyone mention he's in his year 22 season?)

One more Quo - I didn't just pull that 1.000 number out of some surreal future. I simply look at the comp between Melky and Bernie, and realize that age 22, Melky is ahead.

Bernie at his peak?

.997 OPS at age 29 in 1998.

I'll happily take the next seven years to see if Melky tops that.

I'm just saying, do you not realize you're jumping the gun in a serious way?

Granderson > Melky = Pence > Sizemore

Now, we're bordering on rediculous. Nope, border crossed. Sizemore tops this list by heads and tails over the other three. It's like me suggesting Lester is better than Oswalt based on last nights box score.

Stats the past two monts be damned, there isn't a GM out there that doesn't take Sizemore over every CF in the AL right now, much less the other three in your equation. He is the posterchild for awesome young outfielders. In fact, if I had the choice, I take him over every single OF, no matter the position, in all of baseball.

It's funny that I just realized, right now, that Melky is the youngest starting 8 in the game.

As a GM, I would consider Granderson as well. Head and shoulders above Sizemore defensively, and then it's a question of whether you prefer Granderson's better power over Sizemore's superior OBP/speed.

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