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Thursday, October 09, 2008

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Paul: I suspect there's too much emphasis here on head-to-head matchups, which produce small samples results, and an overemphasis on the intangibles-vs-runs argument. The Angels were Team Intangibles, and while TB has a little-engine-that-could narrative, their strengths are less stylistic, and they've succeeded in the tough AL East. The small-sample head-to-head stats warp your evaluations of players like Kazmir (though, admittedly, he might have trouble against a high OBP Sox squad) and Longoria.

The Rays have tough, tough starting pitching, and the best bullpen in baseball. Those staffs are what have given them advantage in tight games. I'm not suggesting they should be the favorites here--these are two evenly matched teams, and I think the Sox do have some advantages, but the case you make here seems unconvincing. I suspect the Sox will pull this series out, but can easily see it going the other way.

Also, and this is NOT aimed at you, Paul, I think we need to be careful with the way we use statistics. The "TB is lucky for all those 1 run wins argument" seems akin to the "Wang is a lucky pitcher" argument that i think we've now dismissed. Sometimes even our most advanced metrics have trouble explaining a phenomenon. The inclination, therefor, is to dismiss that phenomenon. But if that phenomenon is persistent, dismissing it is not legitimate. Good stats need to explain the phenomenon they represent, not the other way around. If they don't or can't, we need to understand their inherent weakness, and not reject the emperical reality they describe.

Kazmir does't scare me as much as before. He is throwing many more fastballs after his elbow concern, and fewer of his sliders. Plus, he's been prone to walking people this year as well.

Good analysis, hopefully the sox bullpen holds their own in the series!

The Rays success this season was certainly not based on "intangibles" as you suggest Paul. They were tied for 3rd in all baseball for fewest runs allowed. I understand the run differential argument and I believe it is one of the many factors that should be looked at in an analysis. I havent looked into this but id be willing to bet that having a better run differential doesnt correlate with one's success in a series as highly as this post suggests it may. (eg Cubs, the 07 yankees, etc). I hope that Tito et al underestimate the Rays to the same degree you have in this post....

I think the head-to-head matchups are fairly instructive because they are the best measure of how these teams' strengths and weaknesses look against each other. Eighteen games should be enough to get us there, though it does produce some of those SSS anomalies -- particularly in the individual batting lines.

The Rays absolutely are better than the Angels, which were a good team, but were not a 100-win team, or even a 95-win team. Tampa's bullpen has won them their share of close games, which accounts for much of their record in one-run contests against the Sox. But that seems to indicate the Sox have an advantage if their starters can go deep and pitch well -- and the ones scheduled to go this series have, for the most part. Consistently this season, the Sox' starters have outpitched the Rays' starters. I wouldn't have guessed that, but looking at those head-to-head matchups, it's pretty clear. The Red Sox have managed to tag every single one of the Rays' starters at some point this season, except for Sonnanstine. The Rays have yet to hit well against Lester or Beckett. That's a four-to-one advantage in starts the way these rotations are aligned -- a nice starting point on paper.

Sam, please explain how predicting a six-game series -- including one that is tied after four games -- constitutes underestimation.

I'm sorry but I just completely disagree about your head-to-head argument. 18 games is a stat blip, especially if you're talking about pitchers, in which case we're only talking about a couple of games. One bad outing can skew your numbers, and of course there's no weight given to seasonal progression, injury, etc. In a small sample, that stuff all matters. It's a lot more instructive, i think, to look at those numbers in the context of the overall season and career numbers. Otherwise it's stat junk. Also, the Angels WERE a 100-win team. They won 100 games.

I pick the Rays in 11 games, 6-5.

Paul- its an underestimation since I believe that the Rays are gonna win 4 games this series not 2. I also believe their success wasnt simply the result of "intangibles" as you have posited in the start of this thread.

And I thought i was the one stuck in the 1880s!

Will the fact that the Sox won't ever be playing on the road during this series make a difference? I mean isn't Tampa's stadium an annex of RSN?

Tampa didn't seem to have a problem filling seats for the White Sox series, right? I imagine there will be fewer Sox fans in the seats this time around.

those tampa "fans" were hired actors.

> those tampa "fans" were hired actors

Along with a non-small number of octogenarian+, certain they were buying tickets to a taping of A Prairie Home Companion.

Also, I don't think they were even able to sell out the Trop for the Chicago series, which is amazing to me.

In fairness, game 1 was played at 2:30 on a weekday afternoon. Im sure they arent the only city that wouldnt sell out. Tampa has no longstanding baseball tradition and the difference from the yanks or sox shows...

Timlin in Gil V out for the ALCS... would rather have had aardsma, but I guess Timlin's veteran grittyness won out.

Timlin's in there to be conductor for the Bullpen Tin Can Philharmonic, right? He isn't going to be pitching, is he?

They sold out the games at the Trop for the Chicago series, Paul. There were a significant amount of open seats near the top because they don't sell those anymore--they reduced seating capacity to try to drive up demand.

Having said that, I hope the seats are filled with red. I've seen 4 Sox-Rays games (and a Yanks-Rays game) at the trop before, and in every one the Rays fans were outnumbered 3 to 1.

Tampa drew 35,000 people for each game. Listed capacity is 45,000. That's all I know.

Great work, Paul, as always. I was planning to do a preview like this for another site, but I think I'll just link to your's. One thing I'd add is defense.

The Rays have the best defensive team in the majors, if you go by BP's Defensive Efficiency (.710). The Sox are 5th on that list, at .699.

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