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Tuesday, January 06, 2009

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So what the heck happened with Varitek? Somehow both Epstein and Boras made mistakes? Theo for offering and Scooter for declining? Given their reputations, it seems very hard to believe that both got the market so wrong. Something more was going on...

Sorry, wrong thread. I have heard good things about the book.

I don't know if you can make the typical assumptions about A-Rod. He had a peripatetic upbringing:

Rodriguez was born in the Washington Heights section of New York City to a Dominican family. When he was four, Rodriguez and his parents moved to their native Dominican Republic. After the family moved to Miami, Florida three years later...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Rodriguez

And in Miami, don't they play year round baseball? They certainly do in the Dominican Republic.

But, getting lumped with the older kids, based on Gladwell's logic, would have put him at a distinct disadvantage, unless he was so good that people took notice in spite of his age. Maybe that was your point?

Rob, which thread was the Tek comment meant for? I can move it.

As for that, I think Theo expected Boras to reject: he almost always opts for FA, and Epstein probably played the odds, and smartly, to potentially gain a draft pick.

Thanks, I posted it there...but now it's missing! Not sure who the author was but it was about why they are not a GM because they would have offered to Abreu.

I'm still not sure Theo didn't have an implicit agreement with Boras. Paying $10 million/year for Varitek is looking like lunancy. $3 million may be too much.

Given his knowledge of the pitching staffs, and the confidence that our younger pitchers have with him behind the plate, I would pay 8mil at most.

Regardless when you have an age cut off, there will always be a disparity. The age cut off for youth hockey in the US was June 1 for a number of years, now it is January 1. You still have the late VS early birthdays. There will be players that over come this issue. Look at Canadian born Sidney Crosby of the Pittsburgh Penguins, he is an August 87. A good athlete, with focus and commitment to their sport, will excel.

Little League rules are a little different than hockey and soccer, at least here in Northern CA. Out here, the cutoff date for both soccer and baseball is 8/1 but in soccer, it is not possible to "play up" a level while in baseball it is. Since baseball is played very differently as the kids get older (t-ball, coach pitch, machine pitch and then kid pitch), good players are always chomping at the bit to get knocked up a level. In soccer, you just kick the ball around the field at pretty much every level (can you tell what my sports prejudices are?).

I also think there are those exceptions in certain sports where the child is talented enough to overcome the age thing. My 8 year old's birthday is 7/26. It really shows in soccer that he is basically competing against kids who are a year older. But in baseball, he plays a level up and he is still one of the better players on the team. OK, it may have something to do with the fact that him mom brings him to every baseball game she can but she can barely sit through his own soccer games :).

Sorry, Rob, I removed the post that was accidentally published last night. I was working on one and then stalled on it, but left the window open and then promptly fell asleep. My lady saw the save button and pressed it before shutting down the computer and this morning I was greeted (to my horror) to my incomplete awful post. Had to delete that crap.

I like this kind of discussion although I have to think in A-Rod's case, it was just his overwhelming physical talent that pushed him ahead at a very young age. I remember reading about Josh Hamilton playing little league baseball at the age of 8 with 12 year olds and dominating, which is pretty freaking ridiculous when you think about it.

rootbeer,
I grew up with CC (born 7/21) and coupled with his above-average size, gave him a distinct advantage from the Little League level on up. I remember he was on the LLWS team (went as far as state finals) and was a year younger than the rest of the roster.

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